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Did a Geologist refute Noah's Ark?
Did Lorence Collins, a geologist, Refute Noahs’ Ark?
In the Journal of Geoscience, Education, volume 44, 1996, p.42, there is a drawing of what is supposedly a representation of the Durupinar site, a boat shaped formation that is located some 14 miles south of Mt Ararat. Collins’ chart depicts this formation as a natural eroded syncline. Unfortunately, for Collins, this chart was a total fabrication. Even his co-writer David Fasold says it was fabricated. Collin’s syncline theory was merely a presupposition. On page 443 we read: “Evidence from microscopic studies and photo analyses demonstrates that the supposed Ark near Dogubayazit is a completely natural rock formation.” David Fasold, his cowriter, on the other had admittedly said:
“THE ARTICLE I WROTE WITH LARRY COLLINS PRESUPPOSES IT'S A SYNCLINE AND HOW IT WOULD SOLVE THE RIDDLE, BUT FOUR OTHER GEOLOGISTS SAY IT'S NOT A SYNCLINE. (IT'S NOT FOLDED ROCK BY THE WAY AND THERE IS NO SHISTOSITY DOWN THE MIDDLE) IT'S JUST SOMETHING COVERED IN MUD. “
- David Fasold
1998/03/20
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How could Larry Collins have described the formation as being a natural rock formation? The facts are simple, anyone can write anything they want, without regard for accountability. And having a Ph.D makes no difference and is no guarantee that said writing will be anything but fictitious. But the fact is, if you contacted Mr Collins today, on the phone, or even by mail, he would honestly admit to you that he never went to the Durupinar site. Yet, the article somehow found it’s way into the Journal of Geoscience Education. Collins violated a rule of science. Science is about observation and accuracy of information. Without that direct observation, Collins was violating that rule.
“PEOPLE WHO POP-OFF THAT IT'S A SYNCLINE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. “
- David Fasold
1998/03/20
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Collins gives a naturalistic explanation to the “thirteen lines of limonite, marking supposed walls” that converge toward the structure’s pointed end[s].” It behooves us to remind the untrained layman, that limonite is an oxidized form of iron. And as many are aware, iron was used in the preflood world, according to the Bible. The coincidence that Collins finds in the pattern of limonite being similar to that found on a boat doesn’t lead him to support this as a manmade structure, because he says:
“I, as a geologist, can show that all these features could be formed by natural processes.”
“Could be’s” form a part of presupposition and speculation. In reality, there are cracks that are found in the Durupinar site. An earthquake in 1978 formed a crack along the top deck. This cuts across partly from across the top deck from rear almost to prow but veers starboard. Even an earthquake could not produce the even lines, or cracks that Collins speculates on being the cause of these evenly space limonite (iron) deposits. At least Collins readily agree that there is a pattern of iron there.
One thing that Collins is not pointing out, is that iron changes composition in exposure to air and water. It becomes rust and limonite. He criticizes an “iron bracket” that was discovered by Dr. John Baumgardner as being not consistant with iron forged out of a priimitive smelter, because it was thorougly mixed with clay, quartz, calcite , and anthophyllite particles, but would have been solid iron. It’s hard to imagine a 4000 year old vessel containing pristine undecomposed iron, but a ready explanation is that much of the iron rusted, and like the process involved with petrification, holes in the iron were replaced with quartz, calcite and a host of other particles. We would not expect to find a 4000 year old piece of iron buried in the mud in a perfect state of preservation, in other words.
But I would think that if Collins wanted to make a point, he would discover a place on earth somewhere, where one could find a pattern of iron that match the ones with rigidity as the pattern that is found at the Durupinar site. If he can show that nature can and has duplicated such a fantastic feat, producing even iron spacings that go vertically up a plane and even on the sides of a surrounding wall, we would be impressed.
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