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Re: brasseye channel4 boycott
posted by Mikey on 09:49 27/7/2001

Ooof. They won't like that. Mainly because it's true.
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Re: Morris: The new Gillray?
posted by Lee B-W on 09:49 27/7/2001

Thank you Kirsty for the reasoned and polite reply. Welcome to the mob. The mob need people like you to tell the rest of us poor confused souls what to think.

I must say, the jackboots look very nice on you. The only missing touch is the blood of a paedophile beneath the grinding part of the heel.

-Lee B-W

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Re: Brass Eye Special - Is It Going Ahead Or Not?
posted by bronze nose on 09:51 27/7/2001

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> YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH EXCELLENT ENTERTAINMENT OVER THE LAST 9 WEEKS WITH BIG BROTHER AND YOU QUITE FRANKLY HAVE RUINED IT FOR ME NOW.

Now, THAT's comedy!
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Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then?????????
posted by Mikey on 09:52 27/7/2001

Boy, you've sure got me pinned. Here I was thinking I was defending satire on the grounds people had missed the point, and it looks like I was a paedophile all along. Huh, just goes to show you, I suppose.
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angela cox
posted by Kay on 09:53 27/7/2001

Anglea -- well put. I agree with everthing that you say BUT the celebrities that took part, like Gary Linekar, are not aware that they are taking part in the programme but something else.

That is the point of this pathetic programme. They dupe celebrities into thinking that they are doing some work for charity or another TV show and then they appear on this moronic show!

I hope that Channel 4 is taken off the air!
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Re: Brass Eye Special - Is It Going Ahead Or Not?
posted by C. Morrissey on 09:53 27/7/2001

I absolutely disgusted with the Brasseye programme last night. As a father of 2 young boys I could not believe my eyes. I am absolutley discusted with Channel 4, the Directors, Producers of the programme and Chris Morris in particular. How could they possibly think that the subject matter would be remotely funny and unoffensive.
Accept this as a formal complaint, letters to each of the above of this formal complaint will follow.

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Re: WHAT ABOUT THAT SOUTH PARK EPISODE?
posted by Mikey on 09:58 27/7/2001

Actually, NAMBLA do exist in America. I know, it's pretty mindboggling. The real difference between South Park and Brass Eye was that Morris credited people with intelligence and took it for granted that people knew paedophilia was wrong and so didn't feel the need to explain that fact unlike South Park which had to spell out that having sex with children was wrong at the end. What, no? Well, pull me up a chair. Really?
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Re: BRASS EYE SPECIAL
posted by Matt R on 09:58 27/7/2001

You had the ability (no doubt) to turn your television over or off. It's understandable that you didn't "get" last night's Brass Eye. As a Morris fan I was a little uncomfortable at first but it was obvious what he was doing. Idiots with nothing better to do stir up hysteria ... Brass Eye was intended to show up the foolishness and counterproductivity of that hysteria.
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Re: I pity the fool
posted by Choc on 09:58 27/7/2001

I agree with Matt about the education system. But I needed no help with daydreaming! I'm a bit miffed you entitled the post 'cold choc action' - was I really that harsh?! - Sorry 'cold tish action'! Incidentally what happened to that post? It appears the quotes I took from it are the only indication it ever existed!

I saw the special last night - LMAO!!!

People who complain about this sort of thing are COMPLETELY missing the point! Do they not realise that not only is the programme using humour to point out the *evils* of society, but to also critisise everyone's handling of them? The titles say it all.

Choc
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Re: Brass Eye Special - Is It Going Ahead Or Not?
posted by Simon on 10:03 27/7/2001

Sorry, but the special wasn't dealing with paedophilia, it was about how the news and media have covered paedophilia, and where people seem to stop using their brains as soon as the issue is raised. If the various celebs had thought for one second about what they'd been given to say, for example, they might have had something intelligent to contriubte rather than just being made to look like the fame-hungry dolts they are. Everything about the show last was ridiculous and over-blown, and if people can't see that, we're living in dangerous times. Nice one, Channel 4.
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Re: Why you thickies were upset tonight...
posted by Mikey on 10:03 27/7/2001

Interesting. A good point well made. But people would rather watch Big Brother than think and squirm.
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Re: brass eye special
posted by Matt R on 10:07 27/7/2001

Come off it. Live and let live. Just because you don't understand what Brass Eye did last night don't get yourself all het up over it.
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MY PETITION
posted by ALLY WILSON on 10:07 27/7/2001
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PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION AT PETITIONONLINE.COM. I DON'T WANT WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. CLINK THE LINK!
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Re: paodophilia on brass eye
posted by Mikey needs a brain transplant on 10:08 27/7/2001

mikey get off the message transmission you haven't got anything funny or clever to say so move over for the intelligent ones
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My Biggest Complaint
posted by The K on 10:12 27/7/2001

I've been a fan of Chris Morris for a long, long time now. My biggest complaint about last night is a simple one: it didn't make me laugh. Not that it was offensive, not that Chris is some kind of pervert, but that it just wasn't funny.

Satire should both make a valid point and be funny, otherwise it isn't satire.

Chris and the team spent 30 minutes last night rehashing the same old jokes that they've been making for the last ten years or so. Enough already!

Chris is a genius - I have no qualms about saying that, but he desperately needs some new jokes.

Keep targetting these subjects by all means, you do make good points that need to be discussed, but please please please, let's do it in a style that doesn't simply ape "The Day Today".

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Brass Eye - Making a point.
posted by Matt on 10:16 27/7/2001
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Ho hum.

Is anyone else tired of those who think comedy is about switching off the brain, sitting back like a sponge and being blindly entertained?

No wonder you don't understand Brass Eye, and can't see past the 'shock' value. YOU PEOPLE WERE THE JOKE LAST NIGHT!! Morris was taking the p out of people just like you, who can't see what a serious subject paedophilia is, and sensationalize it, thus causing MORE problems.

I'm not going to repeat what others have said because you're all incapable of understanding the point.

I do realise that Morris was being at his very darkest - this was the closest to the edge he has ever come in the name of making a serious point through humour.

But just because you didn't understand it, don't blindly pretend it's unbroadcastable.

You were warned before the programme what the programme was about, and that you might not like some of it. Yet you decided to watch it. C4 have even repeated BE recently so you know the style of the programme.

Yet you decide to sit there and watch it, ALL THE WAY THROUGH, then whine like an infant.

Why?

Matt.
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Re: My Biggest Complaint
posted by Matt on 10:19 27/7/2001

Agreed. I didn't laugh much last night at all. But then I don't rate Brass Eye on the number of times it made me laugh.

It's an original programme - yes, very much like previous outings, but the programme is designed to be like that.

Jam was nothing like BE + TDT -last night's show was only like previous programmes, cos it was part of that series. If it was called something else, maybe it would have been different.
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Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then?????????
posted by Phil Collins on 10:21 27/7/2001

Er... before you accuse someone of not being able to read, perhaps you ought to learn to spell.
Unless they really did have a Gaul showing the programme to people, in which case I apologise.
Also, if people switched off after three minutes, they can hardly make a judgment about the program can they.

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Re: Brass Eye - Making a point.
posted by Weird World we Live in on 10:21 27/7/2001

Matt, some of us haven't seen or heard BE before and the sick perversion in everyone to watch something you're not supposed to comes out. But, last nights content you have to admit was probably very upsetting to most people and you would have to be a pretty sick puppy if not

I think what I'm saying is a child's safety has to come first and it clearly wasn't last night.

If you have children you would understand this if you don't then you will one day.
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Re: My Biggest Complaint
posted by Lee B-W on 10:22 27/7/2001

In "My Biggest Complaint", The K wrote:

> Satire should both make a valid point and be funny, otherwise it isn't satire.

(Lee)
Sorry to disagree, but satire doesn't always have to be funny. It should be pointed. It should unsettle. It should highlight hypocrisy (which in and of itself is a delightful thing to see) but it doesn't have to have belly laughs, or any laughs at all. Wit and a sharp blade are the tools of a satirist. Jokes are an afterthought. Just look at our finest British satirist, James Gillray. There's not much to laugh at at all in his prints. But boy, do they smart!

- Lee B-W
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Good TV
posted by chris hc on 10:23 27/7/2001
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Well, this thread goes to show that Ignorance is still ahead of the game in the UK. Last night's brass eye special was an excellent programme, it didn't really give me any issues i hadn't already considered, except that perhaps the media is more predisposed to sexualising children than i'd previously thought. It's thoroughly depressing that the majority of you people posting here are reacting so violently. Part of the point is due to the fact that this produces such a reaction. What's going on here? Repressed guilt? I hope all you disgusted people will stop your sub-16 year old daughter from wearing make up and short skirts, and that you Dad, don't ogle your daughters schoolfriends, and that you young parents are careful when bathing your child, or that you breast feeding mothers don't get aroused when feeding. etc etc etc. Because of course, that's not the issue is it? Let's hunt down and kill the evil paedophiles who are the SOLE cause of this problem.
I'm not suggesting that any of the above is paedophilic, but we live in a culture where a 15 year old britney spears can become a sexual object in a school uniform, and we don't bat an eyelid, but Brass eye is sick because it takes a look at the issues? Grow up people, you all knew about this show befor ehand and there was a caveat, yet you stil watched, because you're as morbidly fascinated as the next person.
Well done Channel 4, at last some exciting television.
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PAEDOGEDDON...
posted by Jo on 10:22 27/7/2001

I think it's important not to use Morris' fiercely intelligent satire as a scapegoat for anger at paedohillic crimes, or confuse it in any way with the support or promotion of paedophilia.

A few days ago in a tabloid I picked up on the tube I saw a picture of Anna Kournikova looking about 13 years old, with the headline "Luckiest Man in the World", referring to her new husband.

Until the sensationalist media and their readers start recognising such covert titillation, it is highly hypocritical and misguided of people to claim that a searing, pertinent poke at our national morality by Morris, Baynham et al is "damaging" or disrespectful.

Brass Eye, as well as being brilliantly written, acted and delivered, serves, in the furore that follows it, to highlight the double standards and ill-informed nature of the current debate.
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Re: paodophilia on brass eye
posted by Jean on 10:23 27/7/2001

Dito.. WHAT A TOOL !!!

In "Re: paodophilia on brass eye", Mikey needs a brain transplant wrote:
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Re: My Biggest Complaint
posted by Rich on 10:25 27/7/2001

I thought it was one of the funniest 3 episodes yet, alongside Drugs and maybe Crime.
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Let's lynch The Daily Mail Mob
posted by Supreme Dalek on 10:27 27/7/2001

In "Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then?????????", Andy wrote:
> People like you should stop thinking that being alternative or being left of centre is radical and the cutting edge of society and the 99 of everyone else does not get the joke - this programme was dangerous
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> now F.O.A.D.

You really are a stupid prick Andy and the countless other Daily Mail readers that have swamped this board.
Let me repeat what Brass Eye was about.
It was about the press hysteria involved and not the actual act. The way you are all so sadly responding was featured so cleverly in the show Brass Eye last night.
No doubt you and the rest would join the vigilante groups and attack (or lynch) anyone suspected of such a crime on the advice of the News of The World! I find people's misunderstanding and knee-jerk reactions to the subject of last night's programme (that was brilliant in places), quite disturbing.

You have the brain of a crab.
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Re: brass eye special
posted by Sarah & John on 10:32 27/7/2001
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In reply to your comment, we also think this was a totally vile and disgusting programme. I was appalled by the content and want an apology from the makers of this episode. I cannot believe that the parents of these children knew what was being filmed either. I feel so sorry for all victims of this crime & that it has been made a mockery of it all. So close to us all is the Sarah Payne attack and yet we have this on our screens. Wake up Channel 4 and get a grip on reality.
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Someone Missed the point
posted by Whitesnake on 10:34 27/7/2001

To be honest I thought Morris tried really hard to dumb the program down below his normal media satire so that even the most brainwronged of watchers wouldn't be able to take it seriously. This made the quality seem a bit lower to me and I thought he should have gone a bit further in a more subtle way.

The show struck me as being even handed ... he managed to ridicule paedophiles, himself, his raltionship with his two children and especially all the ignorant hysterical idiots embarking mindless rampages.

People with complaints to make should be more concerned that democratically elected MP's, Newsreaders, Science presenters and celebrities eager to get back into the public eye are so ignorant that they can be fooled into making the most outlandish claims about paedophillia even though they are supposed to be intelligent role models and representatives of our community. Their sheepish mentality was the crux on which the show rested and proves how idiotic people should be to think their status empowers them with any more brain cells than a weasel fighter in the east end.

Perhaps by ridiculing and removing the taboo's from such a contentious subject it would help the mindless tabloid reading sheep and the moral elect to actually approach the issues with a bit more care and attention rather than a "special gun".

I know people who were abused as children and I know they'd rather see something prompting a forum for debate rather than the embarrassed silences and sympathtic whispers from people who have no idea or understanding of what they went through.

Its the sexual repression of this self elected moral majority combined with a society that actively encourages "young" to equate with "sexy" that has more to do with enouraging paedophillia than any satire being made of the idiots that petrol bombed "Peter Phile's" car last night.

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Re: Statement from Channel 4 Press Office
posted by Fragster on 10:35 27/7/2001

Listing long words does not make you a writer, nor does it make your views valid. This was a satire, an attempt at showing up the media, which seems to have gone off very well. People in hysterics at how 'sick' and 'terrible' it is that this was allowed to be broadcast. He achieved his aim, and will be laughing I'm sure at the public reaction, people have completely missed the point, and he knew the majority would. Chris Morris is a genius.
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See past the end of your nose you fools.
posted by Jim Jiminee on 10:36 27/7/2001

Channel 4 were never not going to run it. It ran on the night it was supposed to run - the previous date was given so that the could say that they could say that they weren't going to show it. Just to raise curiosity about the event...

I hope Phil Collins feels very very stupid. Celebrities speak out on issues that they know sod all about all the time and someone needs to bring them to book to make them think twice next time, or at least research the subject that they are going to talk about a little. They should be ashamed. All the celebs in all of the brasseye stuff just read what they are given from a sheet of paper - some of them know what's going on - like linnekar - but the point is that they are *all* reading out ridiculous stuff, it's just that some of them swallow it whole without question - Stringfellow, Noel Edmonds, Bernard Manning - they've all used the media for their own ends - you should rejoice when the fools eat egg pie.

Granted it wasn't as funny as a lot of his other stuff, but then was it supposed to be funny? It's not a funny subject is it? Ignorance of the facts isn't funny either.

Chris Morris always takes things to the edge - It was supposed to make people feel uncomfortable - there wouldn't be much point in making a *safe* program about issues that people are ambivalent about - what would be the point in that?

The point is that the media regularly manipulate the populace for their own ends and Morris likes to do the same to them as often as he can.

As far as being banned goes - I'm sure Morris is used to it and doesn't care - he's been banned from every Radio and TV station that he's ever been on. He's been banned from radio 1 twice. This is also the point - something that makes people think a little and makes them feel uncomfortable is a *bad* thing and quietly brushed under the carpet so as not to upset people....

If I can't see it then it can't see me.
This way of thinking almost never works with monsters.
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Re: I pity the fool
posted by Matt on 10:37 27/7/2001

Hooray for Choc! She understands!

What a shame that others don't - especially the media slags who prostitute their stupidity for fame.

I suspect that Phil Collins was toned down last night, but honestly. Dr. Fox and Richard Blackwood did look silly.

"There's no actually evidence for it, but it is scientific fact."

Duh!!

Matt.
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Re: get this sick off the tv(brasseye special)
posted by michelle on 10:37 27/7/2001

i can't believe this program was allowed to be shown, it wasn't comical, not in the slightest it was absolutely disgusting. someone needs to be held responsible for this
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I demand a public enquiry!
posted by Keith on 10:37 27/7/2001

Actually, no, I don't.

But there are e-mails on the Sun website (OK, I had to look to see how OTT they were going today) demanding a public enquiry into how this got shown.

Excellent!

Let's have one!

Maybe then people will finally understand the point that Chris Morris was trying to make last night.

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Re: get this sick off the tv(brasseye special)
posted by Dawn on 10:38 27/7/2001
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I totally agree with you about last night's programme. I don't think it is something to make a joke about. It is like making a joke about people who died in the holocaust - it is just not funny. I thought it was very disturbing and it upset me and my friend a great deal. I think that yes you should not put these things under the carpet but I do not think that this is the right way to go about it. I don't know what the programme was trying to achieve but it came across as dirty and sick.
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Makers of Brass Eye: lost the plot?!
posted by Ronan O'Boyle on 10:39 27/7/2001
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Question: What was the intention of the Brass Eye programme (26.07.01)? Was it comedy?? Did anyone think it was funny???

I expect I am correct it saying Channel Four prides itself in being the more 'risqué' of the terrestrial channels - but it seems the C4 think tank has finally dried up!

My advice is to stay away from the white powder when trying to come up with new ideas and remember your audience does not just comprise of disillusioned adolescents!

I assume you got what you wanted: a strong reaction from the viewers (albeit negative). But guys what price did you pay- or do you care.

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Re: My Biggest Complaint
posted by pete james on 10:39 27/7/2001

I thought some parts were good, but other parts were maybe a bit dire? The enthusiasm of the earlier ones wasn't there and the pace seemed slightly forced.
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Re: Let's lynch The Daily Mail Mob
posted by Fragster on 10:41 27/7/2001

In "Let's lynch The Daily Mail Mob", Supreme Dalek wrote:
> In "Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then?????????", Andy wrote:
> > People like you should stop thinking that being alternative or being left of centre is radical and the cutting edge of society and the 99 of everyone else does not get the joke - this programme was dangerous
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> > now F.O.A.D.
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> You really are a stupid prick Andy and the countless other Daily Mail readers that have swamped this board.
> Let me repeat what Brass Eye was about.
> It was about the press hysteria involved and not the actual act. The way you are all so sadly responding was featured so cleverly in the show Brass Eye last night.
> No doubt you and the rest would join the vigilante groups and attack (or lynch) anyone suspected of such a crime on the advice of the News of The World! I find people's misunderstanding and knee-jerk reactions to the subject of last night's programme (that was brilliant in places), quite disturbing.
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> You have the brain of a crab.

Seconded, how about you go read your article here http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13895751 perhaps?
Yes, go back to reading The Sun, ignorant fools. Oh, and as to the point that this programme was dangerous, please explain how the hell you came to that conclusion? Perhaps you thought the programme supported paedophilia? Point proven.
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Eastenders is damaging our kids! ITC!! ITC!!
posted by Supreme Dalek on 10:40 27/7/2001

In "Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then?????????", a campbell wrote:
> You sad person. Eastenders etc show topics of this kind, to help children be aware of people like you in the world. they are handled in a sensitive way. do you realse the fact that you enjoyed it, you are one step closer, to being one of these sad individuals.

I'm actually quite disgusted that this badly acted 'drama' will be on 4 times a night with it's dodgy cockney accents and scripts that seem to be written by clueless News of The World hacks.
I think we should all complain to the ITC about Eastenders and how it is poisening our kids. Have you noticed how many kids now talk with hideously fake West End accents? Look at the effect it has had on Guy Ritchie.

Also, it is amazing that that Tomorrow's World presenter was dupped by technology that actually doesn't exist!!
And Richard Blackwell sniffing the keyboard...??! but of course, most of you would have missed these classic comic stich-ups as you all switched off within 1.5 seconds....

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DISGUSTED BY BRASSEYE
posted by John L Marco on 10:42 27/7/2001
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To All Viewers,
If you thought this program was disgusting and in awful taste please write to C4 or ring them. They need to know that there are some things that you do not joke about....

Thanks

jlmarco@hotmail.com
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Rational opinion - please read and understand
posted by Andy Currington on 10:43 27/7/2001

I have a fifteen month old daughter who I love more than anything in the world. Her happiness, safety and wellbeing are a constant concern to me and I would do anything to protect her from the world's evils. The thought that she might come into contact with a paedophile is utterly abhorrent to me and if, god forbid, she should ever suffer at their hands I would probably not be responsible for my actions towards that person.

I therefore empathise with people's hatred of paedophiles and i understand that such hatred is a perfectly natural response to the crimes they perpetrate. However, I also believe that hatred, whlst being a powerful emotion, is not the only way to deal with the threats that paedophilia poses.

Laughter is invariably induced as a defence mechanism against intrusions on our emotional security and for this reason i feel no guilt at having laughed through most of last night's Brass Eye special. Why should it not be acceptable to belittle paedophiles by mocking them and their actions ?

I accept that I may have a lower threshold than others for what I find amusing, but I am a rational human being and can distinguish between the real world and a satirical portrayal of it on television. If I thought for one moment that this programme might have altered the genetic makeup of just one person so that they became aroused by acts of paedophilia, I would be as angry as 75% of viewers seem to be - but that's not going to happen.

( Note: Without wishing to address all the issues presented in complaints directly, one recurring point has been that those people who found the programme funny would not have done so if their own child had been abused. If my child had been abused, and I pray to god that never happens, my ceaseless emotional pain would be so extreme that the existence of this programme would not matter to me one iota. )

For the above reasons, I applaud the entire Brass Eye team for making this special and I congratulate unreservedly Channel 4 for showing it. My only suggestion is that perhaps it should have been followed up by a studio discussion.

Finally, I would like to say to everyone who has criticised this programme: THINK about your arguments ( for those of you who have actually presented any ) - think about them very carefully and think about them for AT LEAST a whole day. Examine your reasons for hating the programme. Consider your gut response to it.

Are the subjects it brought up repugnant to you ? Do you feel distraught that the topic of paedophilia should be presented in such a frank manner ? Do you fear for the future of your children as I do for mine ?

If the hatred you feel is still for the programme makers, that hatred is MISGUIDED and your anger is being WASTED - direct it at the paedophiles where it belongs.
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posted by Tracey on 10:44 27/7/2001

I wholey agree, I was shocked and appalled at what I saw before my eyes, I cannot understand how this so called comedian Chris Morris can contemplate putting 'Satirical' and Comedy into the same program as the most horrific word ever to be invented. I am even more dissapointed that Channel 4 should agree to show this absolute crap. All involved should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Offended by the Brass Eye Special? READ!
posted by Trawscambria on 10:45 27/7/2001

In "Re: Offended by the Brass Eye Special? READ!", Nameless wrote:

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> I mean look at the second comment on this list "Tracy Ash - says kill all paodophiles" - programs like this only encourage mob mentality which is clearly a bad thing.
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> A while back I noticed that a story about a paedeatrician who had been forced to move from there home because they had been mistaken for a paodophile and hounded out out of their house/home town. (yes that is a true story)
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> nuff said.

The peadiatrician was forced out of her home several months before anyone had ever heard of the BE special if I remember correctly...

Nuff said
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Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then????????? (david soul version)
posted by Dawn on 10:45 27/7/2001

These people you are calling idiots are actually people who have probably suffered at the hands of these perverts. They are victims just like anyone else and you will never ever know their misery and suffering and constant nightmares. I did not watch all of it but I still don't think it should be allowed on the TV. Would you think a programme about Nazi's and the holocaust OK to joke about? I don't think so. This is no different. I think these things should be spoken about, but the producers and writers got it wrong and unless you have suffered yourself you have no right to comment.

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posted by Tracey on 10:46 27/7/2001

You bet I will, in fact everyone needs to know how sick channel 4 really are!!!!
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posted by matt on 10:46 27/7/2001

This is not really a new idea, programmes like Trevor McDonald at 10, Esther, watchdog etc. have been spilling out sensationalist, mob-fuelling clap-trap for years, and small minded unintelligent gimps like you have lapped it up.

Now chris morris has opened your eyes to the reality you're all feeling stupid and embarrassed.....

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posted by Noxious Keyboard Fumes on 10:51 27/7/2001

In "Don't assume...", Graham wrote:
> I am a 29 year old victim of child abuse. I also found the BES to be 'the' sharpest, most biting, and yes, funniest program I have seen in years. I was literally on the floor from laughing so hard. (Especially the art-gallery "obscenity" section). All of you knee-jerkers can go and spin, don't try and pretend that you in any way speak for victims. You are just trying to justify your own feelings of moral disturbance. Of course it was disturbing, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT. You're probably the same people that turn a blind eye to the choirmaster/scoutmaster etc. Go take a hike.. Thank you Chris.

Sir,

Thankyou. Let's all go and email talkback@the-sun.co.uk

They're asking for our comments on this show, so lets give them what they want, and hi-jack those damn right-thinkers once and for all!

(Anyone got an address for the Daily Mail while we're at it?)
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Re: Why the hell did you brainless idiots watch it then????????? (david soul version)
posted by susan on 10:52 27/7/2001

Where in last nights episode did they actually make fun of child abuse??, they never endorsed or glamourised it.

As usual people like you never see further than your own prejudices. Brasseye was making a mockery of the media presentation of child abusers and the vanity of c-list celebrities desire for exposure.
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Re: Let's lynch The Daily Mail Mob
posted by Chris Hind on 10:52 27/7/2001

In "Let's lynch The Daily Mail Mob", Supreme Dalek wrote:

> You have the brain of a crab.

...and remember, crabs walk sideways and attack children!

Congratulations to Channel 4 on a truly brave piece of programming (ha ha, what am I saying, C4 are spineless wretches, this should have been broadcast last month!) It has beautifully highlighted media idiocy and witch-hunt mentality of the general public (see previous posts). Morris deserves a knighthood.
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Re: Why you thickies were upset tonight...
posted by Sebo on 10:52 27/7/2001

You truely are cretinous, and have managed to miss the point entirely. Chris Morris was lampooning the media coverage of paedophilia and the knee-jerk reaction to paedophilia by large swathes of the unthinking public.

What part of that DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
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posted by jon on 10:53 27/7/2001

its intersesting the diference in attitude between people who think the world they see on Tv should be pre-digested for them and those that practice self cencorship. Any Web surfer must practice self cemnsorship, just cos its avalibel dont mean u should look at it!. I found the brass eye prog to be very funny and as Chris Morris is the only person brave enuogh to hold a critical satirical glass up to peoples actions very very refreshing..
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Re: Won't somebody please think of the children?
posted by Sebo on 10:55 27/7/2001

Hopefully people will read and understand. Take the time to wade through the long words and measured sentences. I'm not getting my hopes up too much, but I will for once attempt to (mis?)place some faith in the Great British Public.
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Re: Statement from Channel 4 Press Office
posted by Tracey on 10:55 27/7/2001

NO!!! I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT. Had a happy child hood did you, didn't suffer at the hands of a pervert, well I tell you what there are alot of people out there that did, and I don't doubt for a second that his upset them to the point of sickness, you have no idea of the pain that they have in their lives. This is not a subject to mess around with, there are plenty of other subjects to make a satires about. Please stop all this crap about getting serious messages to the country using comedy, it really hurts people..really!!!
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posted by JimmyT on 10:56 27/7/2001

A brilliant piece of television that didn't make light of paedophilia but instead mercilessly and sublimely lampooned the media's obsession with this issue.

In no way did the programme condone paedophilia. Anybody who thinks so is, to be quite honest, stupid.

The programme was about how the media and celebrities jump on these emotive issues in order to boost ratings and their public profile. These people feed off the carcas of suffering for their own ends.

Morris hates these media whores and, I for one, back him all the way.

Moving on, I thought it was an extraordinarily original and hilarious show. It made the older Brass Eyes look lame and pedestrian in comparison. Morris has firmly established himself as a televisual artist with an uncomparable ability to subvert the medium and the English language itself.

Quite simply stunning.

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posted by Hercules Bedslug on 10:57 27/7/2001
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I arrived home just before last night's Brass Eye to find my two flatmates watching what I initially thought was an earlier (5 year old) episode of Brass Eye - on closer inspection this turned out to be the BBC news. Prophetic.

Worried that your children in their bedrooms might have seen some of this shocking programme, well, isn't that part of the issue? How's your parental control doing where the stream of guns and blood being pumped across the airwaves 7 days a week is concerned?

Astonished that (ahem) respected celebrities could allow themselves to be associated with 'Nonce Sense' and suchlike? Doesn't it show their publicity-hungry inanity?

Disappointed that C4, responsible for the titan of creative tv that Big Brother represents, could scrape the barrel desperately enough to dredge up the likes of Brass Eye? I'm sure there are plenty of us out here who would see it the other way round.

Feel that Brass Eye might encourage otherwise normal folk to go out and 'interfere wif der kids'? I quite enjoyed last night's prog (although not as much as some other episodes), but that sort of thing makes me as mad as a lorry. No, madder - it's off the scale. Don't think it's made me want to become a 'phedofile' (as seen in foot-high yellow letters on a wall near my home in Liverpool).

I wish you all the best of luck with your legal actions against C4 and Chris Morris...
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