ALISFS (Atheist Lost in Space Fans)
UPDATE: 10/16/04
I have decided to take most of the links off of this page and put them on a separate page. Click here to get to the links page. All updates etc. to this page will be featured on that page as well.
UPDATE: 9/9/04
Good news! The webpage that inspired this one has bit the dust. Sometimes, life is good. :)
This page has been put together in the spirit of that old cry:
"Enough is enough!"
Christian Star Trek pages litter the net, piling up the nonfalsifiable "believe first, then see" absurdity of christianity with the gosh-wow-boy-oh-boy 300 pound male virgin in his 40s living in his parent's basement idiocy of Star Trek fandom.
And now we have a christian Lost in Space page, which examines the christian connotations of the Lost in Space episode "Condemned of Space." That page is now dead, but it has been archived. Click on the ALISF links page to see it.
As Frank Zappa would say,
I suppose it couldn't be avoided. But still, isn't Lost in Space a bit of a bad fit for bible thumping christianity?
For one thing, the show was completely neutral on the subject of religion. For whatever reason, LIS was inclusive: an Atheist could watch the show without having to have delusions rammed down his throat.
Really, what is the point of someone trying to rework the idea of a show so that it reflects his own biases? What next? Is someone going to pore over LIS episodes and talk about how the show proves that Ken Starr's witch hunt is the best possible thing for America?
It boggles the mind, it does. In christianity, we have a belief system with built in ways of making itself nonfalsifiable: Oh no! We can't ask for proof. Oh no! We can't ridicule the obviously ridiculous tenets of christianity. Oh no! We can't point out that there are NO contemporary historical references to jesus outside of the bible (the one paragraph mention in Josephus was proven a fraud; Pliny the Younger referred to christians, and not jesus himself). Oh no! We can't point out that christians are no more moral than anyone else, because as any good christian would tell you, if a person does something immoral, then by definition they are not a christian. And on it goes.
And Lost in Space has been dragged into this. LIS was a religion-neutral TV show. If there was any one message to the show, it was-- well, what WAS the message? Was there any underlying philosophy, save for whatever the writers could sneak in from time to time?
The above is not an attack on the show. There are a lot of entertaining TV shows, books, movies etc. that don't exist to preach or to improve the consumer: they just exist to entertain. And that is good in its own right. Reading more into something than is really there is pointless at best.
I could tie in material from LIS, and try to retrofit the show to match atheist themes. It wouldn't be that hard to do. For example, some people see blatantly homosexual content in Star Trek episodes. If you look for it in that show, you willl find it. Mind you, there was no intent to add homosexual content to Star Trek. If you have a filter designed to attract nicotime, you will get nicotine. If you decide to look for homosexual or christian or whatever content in something, you will find it, because of your frame of mind.
But no, let's just enjoy LIS for what it is: entertainment. Seeing nonexistent allegories just profanes the show.
I especially enjoy the christian habit of endlesssly quoting bible verses, as if it proved anything. You have no proof that jesus ever existed in ther first place? Just quote bible verses. You can't prove christians are any better than non christians? Just quote bible verses. You want to push a social agenda? Just quote bible verses. Bible verses in a discussion are the equivalent of saying "Define _____" every few minutes in a debate. They just derail real discussion, and that's it.
I do wonder why no christians ever bother to quote 1Kings14:10(KJV). If ever there was a verse that showed god's love, it's that one! "Pisseth" indeed! Bah! :)
To the Believers out there: Please read this entire website, including the guestbook and letters pages. Some of you are using arguments that have already been refuted. Please don't embarrass yourselves any further!
Now, if you folks want to hear exactly why I am an Atheist, and how I got to that conclusion, then let me know. I'll be happy to tell you. :)
You know, I do find it passing strange that Atheists are expected to prove every word of what they say, but Believers can just say the tired old line "Goddidit!" and that is that.
Please note: This page will be modified only on rare occasions. The new material will be in sections like the e mail section, the guestbook, and the ALISF links page. Why not join in on the discussions in those forums?
This Just In! The following was written in my guestbook. My reply is in bold. The first guestbook letter (which Alex apparently didn't object to), was a rather uninteresting troll. Why didn't Alex object to this obviously hateful post? God's love must have limits, I guess. :)
Nice of you to include my page as a link on yours, "the page that inspired this page."
Notice in the following how Alex doesn't address even ONE of the comments I made above. This is commonly called a Strawman Fallacy. That is, if you can't attack a person's actual argument, make up a flimsy argument and knock that one down. It is intellectually dishonest, but that doesn't seem to faze Alex.
Cute, lol, even if it is in a derogatory context. The whole matter of whether God's existence is real or not obviously is of some significance to you, or you wouldn't be venting as you are through the
creation of this page. Really, there's no such thing as a true atheist.
Proof, please.
Believing oneself to be an atheist is a delusion.
And believing in a god that will kill people for urinating against a wall isn't?
The next time you encounter some real moment of truth, like being at death's door, or not having enough mortgage or rent to keep from being kicked out on the street, you'll understand how flimsy the whole concept of atheism is.
Translation: Atheists don't have any firm philosophical conviction. Give them any hardship, and they are no longer Atheists. Obviously, famous Atheists like Mark Twain, Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan, and so on were flighty, shallow people, who never experienced any hardship. Of course, to believe that we have to forget about the death of Mark Twain's daughter. Oh well.
Like Gen. Douglas MacArthur (famous WWII general said), " There are no atheists in the foxholes of Bataan."
Actually, some old fuddy duddy did a survey, querying Atheists after seeing battle. Their convictions were unchanged.
It's been said that adversity shows you for what you truly are. When it comes to those make or break moments of life, theism will always be a hands down winner over atheism.
Proof, please. All you have offered is conjecture. Put up or shut up.
Given what's for real, what stands up to pressure and what doesn't, I have yet to meet a genuine atheist.
I have yet to meet a christian who wasn't at heart intellectually dishonest. So tell me, what do you think of 1Kings14:10KJV? Oh, and has anyone ever seen god? The bible is of two minds on this.
The only difference is, some let go of the delusion of atheism more reluctantly than others.
Delusion? Proof, please. You have come up with a lot of conjecture, and not a bit of proof for your assertions. The burden of proof is on you. That you are shying away from even responding to even ONE point I made is telling.
I suppose one problem here is how belief is treated in this country: religion is somehow seen as being above criticism, while Atheism isn't. My "intellectually dishonest" comment was designed to make you think a bit. I find it passing strange that you really believe that you have a strong argument (one that does not need to be proven), yet all of your opponents are stuck at square one, without any real convictions. Prove that god exists. Then go from there. If what you say is real, then there should be no objection to proving it.
And that's that, for now.
Attention christian trolls: Would it be too much to ask for interesting trolls from you people? :)
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